Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Shockney

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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by AirshipJungleman29 talk 22:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Lillie Shockney

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• ... that Lillie Shockney is a co-founder of the Academy of Oncology Nurse & Patient Navigators?

• Source: https://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/reviewer/lillie-d-shockney/

• ALT1: ... that breast cancer patients became a primary patient population for nurse navigation after Lillie Shockney reported the impact of the program at Johns Hopkins Hospital? Source: https://www.myamericannurse.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/an12-Oncology-Navigtion-1201.pdf "Breast cancer navigation became a primary patient population focus of nurse navigation when Lillie Shockney, MAS, BS, RN, publicized her success at the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, where she helped increase appointment completions, improve timeliness of care, and expedite chemotherapy start time by 2 weeks."
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Evgeniia Subbotina

Moved to mainspace by Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 81 past nominations.

Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC).

• The article is long enough and new enough with no copyright violations. All of the references are reliable. The article is neutral. Both hooks are cited, but I prefer ALT1. SL93 (talk) 21:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
  • As a promoter, I also greatly prefer ALT1, but I don't quite understand the "nurse navigation" bit. What's the best way to simplify the hook Mary Mark Ockerbloom? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
    • The "nurse navigation" or "patient navigation" field is one that few people will know and hopefully people will go to the page to find out more about it. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 16:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
      • Ah I see, is there any way we can rephrase "primary patient population" to make it more accessible for the general reader then Mary Mark Ockerbloom? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
  • AirshipJungleman29, I get it now. How's this? (same references and meaning, less tachnical language) Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 01:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • ALT1a: ... that breast cancer patients became a population who frequently worked with nurse navigators after Lillie Shockney reported the impact of the program at Johns Hopkins Hospital?
    • ...I'm not sure, I think it's still a little unclear. I'll wait to see what another promoter thinks. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• • • I agree with AirshipJungleman29. It can be confusing to readers based on the lack of context. 48JCL TALK 11:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
  • ALT1b: ... that breast cancer patients started to work more frequently with nurse navigators after Lillie Shockney reported the impact of the program at Johns Hopkins Hospital?
  • ALT2: ... that Lillie Shockney organized a program at Johns Hopkins Hospital in which nurse navigators help breast cancer patients to deal with daily life issues as well as medical treatment? Additional source: "patient navigators, including social workers, often focus on practical problems, including transportation, childcare, housing, and psychosocial issues." Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 21:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
• SL93 are you available to review the above two hooks? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• The new hooks are both verified, and I prefer ALT1b as the shortest and more to the point. SL93 (talk) 17:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• @SL93: Someone has uploaded a photo of her, so I have added it to the infobox, the wikidata entity and the nomination template. Thanks everyone! Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 16:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I'm leaving this for another promoter to pick up, should they wish. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
    • Why do we think this photo is actually CC-BY-SA like the commons page claims? The Author is listed as "Lillie Shockney"; considering this is a photo of Lillie Shockney, and looks like a studio portrait, it's unlikely that it's a selfie, and thus the Author is incorrect. The author of a photograph is the photographer. And it's apparently downloaded from https://aonnonline.org/authors?autid=1:lillie-shockney-2, which has a highly restrictive TOS statement. RoySmith (talk) 23:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
      • I have removed the photo from the nomination. Issue resolved; this can now be promoted. Schwede66 05:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
        • I suspect that other promoters are also finding the hook difficult to parse: we are approaching the two-month old limit. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
          • They all read awkward and obtuse to me, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 03:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
            • RoySmith You previously mentioned closing noms that are old. How do you feel about this one? I'm not attached to any of the hooks, and I do see where the complaints are coming from. SL93 (talk) 23:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
• I am rejecting this per the issues and how long it's been. SL93 (talk) 03:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)